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Poster: dougm_philly Date: Dec 16, 2005 9:50am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Pink Floyd

if you listen to their gigs before dstm, then you will find a band that tweaked each show. there are some gigs where "careful w/ that axe" is the standout but then maybe its "saucerful of secrets" on the next.

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Poster: mcglone Date: Dec 16, 2005 9:58am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Pink Floyd

fair enough, but tweeking seems manipulative. jammin, orgainic?

process cheese vs brie...lol

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Poster: Pink_Lotus Date: Dec 16, 2005 10:08am
Forum: etree Subject: Free Pink Floyd Concerts at the Echoes Hub

You have been invited to chat and trade music at the International Echoes Hub!

Echoes Hub's circle of traders exist in 25 countries and share unofficial live concert recordings in high quality audio and video formats of your favorite bands.

I don't know if you might have heard of the Echoes Hub before, but the Echoes Hub's traders' material consists of unofficial live concert recordings. Our moderators enforce these rules, you have 100% confidence in us regarding this issue. Come join for free!

http://www.echoeshub.com

This post was modified by Pink_Lotus on 2005-12-16 18:08:56

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Dec 16, 2005 10:35pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Pink Floyd

So you may know this- are Pink Floyd a trade-friendly band?

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Poster: heynowirv Date: Dec 16, 2005 10:49pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Pink Floyd

Not that i'm aware of,which would explain why most stuff out there never sounded GR8.Nor have i ever seen a mic or someone plugging into the SBD @their shows and i've seen them as early as 68 at the Electric Factory

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Poster: Fishead Date: Dec 19, 2005 10:54pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Pink Floyd

you need to get your ass over to www.dimeadozen.org

they always have killer floyd shows goin up . great sbd's ,aud,fm..you name it...dime has a restrict uploading policy so floyd must be ok with them .

there was a killer show from 1975 . the whole dark side album live in sbd or fm and sounded just as good if not better than the studio album . any colour you like is sick and the whole show is way better live than the album . there was also early years shit from 1970-71 in excellent quality..also wall shows ,animal shows..etc//

check it out!!!

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Poster: heynowirv Date: Dec 20, 2005 9:22am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Pink Floyd

'i've been trying to get onto that site for over 2 weeks,they have a 100k limit to membership and i can't seem to time it right to joining:(

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Poster: Fishead Date: Dec 20, 2005 10:23pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Pink Floyd

you just have to keep trying..i heard that after midnight is a good time to try and join..they drop accounts every day ..so keep trying...

peace and merry christmas!!!!

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Poster: VegetableMan Date: Jul 29, 2006 11:46pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Pink Floyd

I have a 2 CD concert called Smoking Blues and I believe the Atom Heart Mother played at the end of Disc 1 would change your opinion.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Dec 16, 2005 11:12pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Pink Floyd

If they are not trade-friendly, I'm sorry to say that the band would *not* "fit in perfectly" here after all. It also calls into question the integrity of the trading site pointed to above.

This post was modified by Diana Hamilton on 2005-12-17 07:12:10

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Poster: gdman Date: Dec 17, 2005 1:15am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Pink Floyd

While Floyd is not a "taper-friendly" band, their take on bootlegs has always been that they would rather have their fans trade their shows, or have access to their shows, than allow bootleggers to profit from them. There are a number of Floyd sites out there that archive (no pun intended) live shows for trade and/or download. if you google, you will find them. and contrary to what someone else posted, there are many Floyd shows out there, both early and latter day, that sound awesome.

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Poster: BobzCat Date: Dec 17, 2005 1:44am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Pink Floyd

Generally, Floydians avoid the term "bootleg," preferring "Recording of Indeterminate Origin" or RoIO.

As there are for many other bands of the era (Zep, Genesis, et al), there are plenty of websites which review and rate the quality of the recordings and performances. There are only a few true soundboards of Floyd shows (radio broadcasts, mostly) but some excellent AUDs.

There are those who disparage Pink Floyd as not "jammy" enough -- they should listen to the 69-71 shows, during which the songs were really just launching pads for journeys into deep improvisational space.

Later on, they did often tend to stay close to the original arrangements. But even into 75 and 77, the band (Gilmour and Wright in particular) had nights in which the music was more than "tweaked," it was inspired (Listen to "Any Colour You Like from Boston 75 or "SOYCD 7-9" from Montreal 77 to hear a band take their studio work to a whole different level).

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Poster: Peten Date: Dec 17, 2005 2:49am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Pink Floyd

I agree! I have a couple of those early shows, circa 71. db.etree.org / peten

Very jammy, indeed. Alas, Floyd's not available here. Great band!

Regards.

This post was modified by Peten on 2005-12-17 10:49:59

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Poster: PrAz Date: Dec 18, 2005 6:33am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Pink Floyd

I do not know a lot about RoIO's (Record of Illegitimate Origin), but last I checked their existence is very well known on the web. And although they are technically illegal (as most concert recordings) no record company in the past has made any attempts at retrieving the copyrights to them, so I would not see why they could not be on the archive

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Dec 18, 2005 6:52am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Pink Floyd

http://www.archive.org/about/faqs.php#100

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffBrad Leblanc Date: Dec 19, 2005 3:54am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Pink Floyd

although they are technically illegal (as most concert recordings) no record company in the past has made any attempts at retrieving the copyrights to them, so I would not see why they could not be on the archive

If someone can get it in writing that the band/management is ok with live recordings being hosted on websites, we will add them. But since they don't even have a taping policy published, I imagine this will be difficult to accomplish...

Best of luck, I'd love to be proven wrong!

BTW - all the concert recordings here are 100% legal.

This post was modified by Brad Leblanc on 2005-12-19 11:54:35

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Poster: nickteller25 Date: Dec 19, 2005 4:26am
Forum: etree Subject: Kimock rumor?

Can anyone verify if Kimock was kicked out of Phil and Friends '99 for slandering Dylan?

By the way, the SKB '05 tour should be listened to by everybody. This band is firing on all cylinders.

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Poster: Daev Date: Dec 19, 2005 5:15am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Kimock rumor?

at the time there were a few different stories floating around as to what happened. Most centered on an inability to get along with Jill Lesh.

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Poster: heynowirv Date: Dec 19, 2005 5:23am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Kimock rumor?

does it really matter,why?Obviosly not a good fit,,,lets talk about the MUSIC

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Poster: nickteller25 Date: Dec 19, 2005 5:32am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Kimock rumor?

No, it doesn't matter. Perhaps I'm shallow for wondering what kind of guy Kimock is.

The Oct. '05 SKB shows are really something else. This group is very tight right now. They don't miss a beat. I think they are at a definite high point. Nice to be able to catch a band in that kind of groove for an extended period of time all from the comforts of the computer. Kudos to archive.org. I love this site.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Dec 19, 2005 6:51am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Kimock rumor?

not necessarily shallow - i've wondered many things about different artists. heard rumors on this one all the way from your question to Steve not getting along with Phil's wife. who knows. wasn't supposed to be permanent anyways most likely - though they sounded phenomenal together as evidenced by Phil's "Love Will See You Through" release. All musicians (sport figures, politicians, etc) have egos - maybe theirs just didn't match.
Kimock Band is sounding great though (but i still miss Mitch)

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Poster: heynowirv Date: Dec 18, 2005 11:29pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Pink Floyd

On a good night floyd could move you into an etheral world of spacey proportions,without the need for psychotropics :)That all changed when Roger got lost in his demons of his fathers death during WW2,Fortunately he's back and sounding almost chipper about life

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Poster: Pink_Lotus Date: Jan 7, 2006 11:39pm
Forum: etree Subject: Should A.O include Pink Floyd?

I sure didn't mean to stir the pot. My apologies.

The www.echoeshub.com website is an informational site only that includes concert venues, dates and instructions to download it's custom software that connects to a private p2p trading group. It is strictly monitored for official material by it's moderators and monitored for lossy audio by it's hub robots with 0% tolerance. I know this because I am one of the moderators there and have witnessed the willpower of the team to accomplish this.

The thing that makes the Echoes Hub so entertaining is the reliability and the interactive aura it provides by offering real time live chat, private messages, and access to other traders complete online lists of over twenty terabytes of shared material at any given time.

Since tapers around the world publicly offer over 1000 recordings in total of Pink Floyd and with the Internet Boom a few years back, I often wondered in the past when I first started trading online if the Pink Floyd police would lay down the hammer on all of the traders and this would all come to an end. Not even a hint of anxiety has permeated until this very moment.

Not many bands have this level of popularity amongst trading circles. Would this red flag eventually? It seems that it hasn't. What this online popularity HAS done is create more excitement with the younger generations, finding out in fact who Pink Floyd are, and it has them not only running to the stores to purchase CDS, but look for what the Echoes Hub specializes in (rare material that you cannot find in the stores).

The creation of Echoes Hub was started in April 2004. An inspiration of a combination of two things. One great, and one awful.

The Great: David Gilmour's chatter during the Meltdown Benefit Concert in 2001.

David has well on that night and had an acoustic line up with classical instruments. Just prior to the song "Smile" (which has been reinvented and rumoured to be on his new album in March BTW), David spoke these words.

"This is a new one so if you are bootlegging, start your machines now".

The audience muttered a laugh, knowing exactly what David was referring to, and exactly how to respond neutrally. David returned a smile back to the audience.

The Awful: The sales on ebay of Pink Floyd audience recorded material. This is downright obnoxious, selfish, rude and disrespectful to the tapers, trading communities and the band members themselves. How to stop it?

The Answer: In the last 18 months, not only has the Echoes Hub help to gather traders together and flood the market with this material driving e-bay sales of Pink Floyd material down the tubes, but it's hundreds of members have been trained NOT to buy on ebay, and furthermore notify ebay bidders that this material is free for download in the Echoes Hub community and to cancel their bids.

Our Dream: For ebay to promise to be more attentive and halt all sales of all roio material on their site. A great time to start is right now.

Please join us in preventing the attempted corruption of all of our communities by these bastards selling material and let's all sit at the round table and promote more effective ways to stop this nonsense.

I wouldn't know where to begin in terms of trying to get a written declaration of the bands trading terms. Perhaps someone out there can help authenticate our goal?

- Pink Lotus

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffbiginjapan Date: Dec 19, 2005 9:29am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Pink Floyd

The whole concept of Pink Floyd was founded on free-form improvisation. Then later on, their material became more structured, but in a jazz sense of the term with a main-theme bookending long stretches of free-form weirdness. Songs that were twenty-minute jams on stage had to be shortened to fit their records, and songs that were five minute album cuts, had to be extended to be better live improvisational vehicles. The song "Fat old Sun", for example, is about five minutes long on the album, while the live version clocks in at about twenty minutes. Some of their songs, like "Careful With that axe Eugene" are 100% improvised. Rent yourself a copy of "Live at Pompeii" and tell me those guys aren't jamming.

Pink Floyd used to also routinely play their songs years before they were recorded. The early live versions of "Dark Side of the Moon", for example, are completely different from the version that was recorded a year later. Parts of "Animals" were actually played two or three years earlier during the time when they were doing early live versions of "Wish you were Here"-which was also played for about a year before it was recorded.

So, if anything, their albums are attempts to capture the live experience, not the other way around.

"The Wall" is the only exception to this.

Pink Floyd fans have heard all of this already and to you I apologise for retreading what you already know. But someone was dissing my favorite band and I had to say something.

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Poster: mcglone Date: Dec 19, 2005 10:08am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Pink Floyd

dear alphaville,

how dare someone express THEIR opinion on YOUR favorite band!

and on a public forum no less!

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Poster: mcglone Date: Dec 19, 2005 9:35pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Pink Floyd

dear biginjapan,

my comment came across way to dick-ish, my apologies...

i vow to not only be careful with that axe, but to bury the hatchet.

peace.

ian

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffbiginjapan Date: Dec 21, 2005 4:31am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Pink Floyd

Cheers.